A Brief Message for Ill-Educated Christians

Published on September 1, 2005 By EmperorofIceCream In Misc

Eze 16:48 [As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.

Eze 16:49
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

Eze 16:50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw [good].

The destruction of Sodom (and by extension the destruction of New Orleans) had nothing whatever to do with the presence within the city limits of homosexuals of either male or female varieties - and everything to do with pride, laziness, and greed.

If you're going to rush to moral judgment on the basis of ancient texts as these egregious fools have done (Link) at least have the decency to become acquainted with the texts you intend to use as the base of that judgment.

Comments

EmperorofIceCream

on Sep 01, 2005

. appearance dot

EFalgui

on Sep 01, 2005

Who said i had anything to do with "The destruction of Sodom"? someone actually wrote an article using that as one of the topics???? Quite wierd...

Texas Wahine

on Sep 01, 2005

I've always had a problem with the Christian tenet that homosexuality is a sin. I'm familiar with the Bible (particularly the NT), but not in any truly detailed or meaningful way.

Might you have some scriptures (beyond the ones listed here) or explanations that I could share with my family members who consider it an abominable sin?

ADD Girl

on Sep 01, 2005

How is that you know what God's reason is for the disaster in New Orleans. I'm referring specifically to your statement “and everything to do with pride, laziness, and greed."

Did you that Job suffered many afflictions imposed upon him by Satan. The Devil himself has powers and causes destruction as well.

EmperorofIceCream

on Sep 01, 2005

To Edmund Falgui:

read the linked article.

EmperorofIceCream

on Sep 01, 2005

To A. D. D. Girl:

Go read the chapter from Ezekiel. You might also attempt to familiarize yourself with the concept of logical extension. Personally, I don't think God gives a shit for the people of New Orleans (or anywhere else for that matter) having far more interesting things to do than pay attention to what happens on this fly-speck planet. I am however annoyed that Christians who pass judgment on others do so on the basis of a book with which most of them have little or no familiarity.

EmperorofIceCream

on Sep 01, 2005

To Texas Wahine:

As with much else in the Bible, the subject of homosexuality is a source of contention. Since the letters of Paul (whether written by him or not - which is also a matter of dispute) form the bulk of the New Testament, and since Paul was a child of the the Torah (the Christian Old Testament) he was by education if not by nature a homophobe - as is the god of the Old Testament. It's primarily through his writings that that homophobia has been passed down to Christians of our day.

My intention in what I wrote was simply to point out that the widely held belief that Sodom (and by extension New Orleans, on the basis of the linked article) was destroyed because of rampant homosexuality, is contradicted by at least one of the ancient Prophets.

As to whether or not God thinks homosexuality is an abominable sin I have no idea - though I can guarantee you that nowhere in the Bible is there a passage which defines it as a virtue. While I have respect for the god-form Jesus, I have long since lost the respect I once harbored for 'Jesus Christ', the god of the Christians, and other than mild irritation at their ignorance of the Book they profess to take as the basis of their faith, I take no interest in the opinions of Christians as a group either - though I'm willing to engage in conversation with those Christians who interest me as individuals.

Do I think that homosexuality is an abominable sin? No, because I no longer give any credence to the notion of 'sin' as such. Nor do I believe in Judgement, Hell, or Heaven. It's my belief that at the end of our days we go exactly where we want to go, and we go there on the basis of a fixed will serving our truest and deepest desire. As I have said elsewhere - all truths are true, and there is no true Truth.

ADD Girl

on Sep 01, 2005

To EmperorofIceCream

I just went and re-read that chapter. I get logical extension. What does that have to do with the different ways God punished the harolt's sister.

How can you call people ILL-Educated Christians when you can't even quote the Bible in context.

Phoenixboi

on Sep 02, 2005

It is nice to know that homosexuals are such a powerful force.... blame us for everything!

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EmperorofIceCream

on Sep 02, 2005

To A.D.D. Girl

The article illustrated the fact that the belief, widely held by Christians of all denominations, that Sodom was destroyed because of the presence of homosexuals within it, is contradicted by the testimony of at least one of the ancient prophets - Ezekiel. Since you claim to know something I shall hold you culpable for not understanding that Ezekiel was a prophet appointed specifically to testify against the iniquity of Jerusalem, and that in the passage quoted God is speaking not to Sodom, or to Gomorrah, or to Samaria but to Jerusalem (the harlot in question) and saying that the fate which is to befall that city will be more terrible than anything wrought against either Sodom, or Gomorrah, or Samaria.

Since the article was not concerned with the 'different ways in which God punished the harlot's sister' but with pointing out a complete contradiction of what is taken to be a literal truth of the Bible by another literal truth of the Bible, it has nothing whatever to do with the 'point' you make - which, taken in the context of what I actually wrote (rather than what you think I wrote) is no point at all.

And since you've so patently misunderstood both the literal text of what I wrote, as well as the reason for my writing it, I think it's safe to assume that you don't 'get' logical extension either.

bakerstreet

on Sep 02, 2005

What makes people think that is the passage:

"[5] And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
[6] And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
[7] And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
[8] Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof."

Later, it says:

"[Jude.1.7] Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

which seems to also imply some sort of sexual oddity. Granted, the angels mentioned in the first passage ha already been sent there to destroy it, and they just reference that their sin was great. Society as a whole seems to think that, though, since we use the word Sodomy to this day.

The Bible also makes reference to sodomites alongside whores, but then by the time the KJV came out the assumption had already been made. Neither side is really going to prove anything one way or the other.

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