"If it's provable we can kill it."
Or, why Muslim anger in reaction to the Pope's intervention is not as simple-minded as it seems
Published on September 16, 2006 By EmperorofIceCream In Politics
Yesterday I spent a large part of the afternoon working on an article titled 'The Pope, the Muslims, and the Eurodweebs'. JU devoured almost all of it as I attempted to edit it from the forum 'Tools' tab - something I don't recommend anyone else to do. This is not a rant about the shortcomings of JU. I mention it to explain why the truncated remains of that article are still available on my blog (it looks messy and I'd delete it if I could but I seem no longer to have access to that function). And I mention it to explain that what follows is a reconstruction of that article, with further thoughts added.

On September 12 Pope Benedict XVI gave a lecture in the University of Regensburg, Germany, where he was once part of the faculty. It's title was 'Faith, reason and the university: memories and reflections'. On its surface it's a wide-ranging discussion of the relationship of reason to faith, both within and without an academic institution. But it carries within it subtexts that, in our present situation, are far more important than what Benedict immediately and apparently had to say. As a consequence of his lecture Muslims are once again burning effigies, dancing in the streets with rage, and demanding apologies for the 'hurt' caused to their 'feelings'.

Poor things.

Their petulant rage is, as ever, unjustified and completely out of proportion to the supposed offence. But for the more intelligent among the jihadi mobs, those who combine some kind of cultural awareness with their malice, there actually is something to be concerned about in what Benedict had to say. Benedict's lecture is an assault on the irrationality of Islam (irrationality defined in a very specific way) and a defence of some of the core values of the West. It is an opportunity for Western recuperation and resistance to Islam. In that way his lecture can be seen as a standard-bearer for a resurgence in self-belief in the values and achievements of the West and a departure from the self-flagellating guilt-trip and historical revisionism provided by the 'left' here in America, and thus in much of Europe also. And I'm certain that Osama bin Laden is already aware of Benedict's lecture, and aware of what it is that it represents.

I'm neither a Catholic nor a Christian and I support the separation of Church and State. But for too long the only lead our politicians have given us in how to respond to Islamist anger has been an appeal to moral relativism (we did bad things to them so now they get to do bad things to us because we're all equally immoral), or an appeal to a now moribund multiculturalism (let's all hold hands and get along together). None of them have dared to say that there is a real difference between Islam and the West; that the difference has worked in our favor; and that the difference is worth defending. Whether out of fear of prompting further attacks, or of loss of vital interests, or addiction to politically correct speech, none of our leaders have made any effort to defend our culture, our history, our achievements. And by 'our' I mean the caucasians of Northern and Western Europe, who for centuries now have led the world in political, philosophical, scientific and technological advancement: the races of Christendom, as it used to be called (I can hear the liberals screaming in outrage as I type - let them scream).

The immediate cause of this latest bout of rage and foot-stamping among Muslims is a quote from a dialogue between the Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Paleologus and 'an educated Persian', on the topic of Christianity, Islam, and truth. The dialogue originally took place in 1391, and was recorded in writing by Manuel II Paleologus during the siege of Constantinople by Muslim armies during 1394 - 1402. The conversation between Emperor and Persian covered a large number of topics - including the validity of Holy War. The text of the Koran the Emperor had in mind was, apparently, this: Surah 2; 256 - "There is no compulsion in religion".

This is one of the early Surahs, composed or revealed (take your pick) when Islam was merely the raving of one more sunstruck desert 'prophet' and Muhammad and his followers were under threat from other desert tribes. The later verses, advocating conversion through force, were composed when the Islamists were in ascendancy - and therefore freer to reveal the truth of their intentions. Manuel II Paleologus, noting the difference in tactics, has this to say about the relationship of religion to violence: "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached".

This is the text, over 600 years old, that has once again thrown Muslims into paroxsysms of fury. Actually they have something far more substantial to be angry about.

Benedict uses the Emperor's comment as a preface to a discussion of the different types of reason or unreason that form the foundations of Christianity and Islam. To understand what Benedict said (as opposed to understanding the citation from the Emperor) it's necessary to understand a term that is central to the whole lecture. That term is 'Logos'. One derivative of 'Logos' is 'logo' - a symbol used to differentiate one type of commercial product from another. But its most widely known usage, at least among Christians, is 1 John: 1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Logos, the Word, is an ordering principle, a principle of organization, the means of differentiating order from chaos.

Using Logos to mean 'the ordering principle which makes God to be God and which cannot be transcended without God ceasing to be God' he points out the presence of this principle in all aspects of Western development. It's the foundation of our concept that the universe can be known, and that it can be manipulated. It's the foundation of empirical reason, which is the source of our science and technology. It's the foundation of the American Republic, and of the political life of the West.

Logos is the imago dei, the image of God in which we are all formed, Since that principle of order is in God it's also in us and in the universe at large, so that all three - God-universe-man - are in that measure known to each other and comprehensible to each other. This is what Benedict refers to as the 'bounded' concept of God: God cannot transcend Its own defining order without ceasing to be God.

At the heart of Islam, however, is another concept entirely, the 'voluntaristic' concept. Nothing binds the god of the Mullahs except its own will. If Allah decided and decreed that it should be done, Muslims would once again worship idols, eat pork, drink alcohol, or whatever. The bounded concept of God gives rise to an attitude of mind that says the world can be known, understood, and used for the betterment of the life of humanity. The voluntaristic concept gives rise to a mysterious chaos where nothing can be known with certainty except that the will of Allah is sovereign and incomprehensible.

One of the implications of Benedict's lecture is that the chronic decline of scientific endeavour, and of political and social development among Muslims, is due to this belief in an inherently unknowable universe. The voluntaristic concept may even "[...] lead to the image of a capricious God, who is not even bound to truth and goodness. God's transcendence and otherness are so exalted that our reason, our sense of the true and good, are no longer an authentic mirror of God, whose deepest possibilities remain eternally unattainable and hidden behind his actual decisions."

Such a God might well find righteousness in the beheading of the bound and defenceless, might well reward such actions with 70, or 700, or 7000 virgins perpetually available for fornication in Paradise. Or it might not. One can deduce nothing of the nature of Allah from Its reported actions, can place no trust in any of Its revelations, because It's bound to nothing but Its own will. In this sense Islam is a hopelessly irrational religion (because devoid of Logos) and its adherents are necessarily bound to that irrationality, are quite literally madmen.

If any of these demented creatures were capable of realising that that is what Benedict had said then even I might agree they had some grounds for anger - not that I care. I'm no more interested in religious justifications for their murdering ways than I am an adherent of Benedict's Christian theology. I presently admire Benedict for having the balls to tell the Muslims that their god is a raving lunatic, and that their ignorance, backwardness and poverty are due to their devotion to a cult that properly belongs in the stone age.

But his lecture has another subtext too, which is the renewal of Christendom in its European heartlands, and by implication throughout the West, through a new understanding of reason as possessing a legitimate spiritual component. By 'spiritual' Benedict means 'Christian'. I myself would not limit 'spiritual' in this way, to some particular schismatic splinter, no matter how many adherents it has world wide. I would include any aspect of 'the Spiritual' that can demonstrate it possesses Logos, some internal structure and coherence, not as a recognition of the 'truth' of these logoi but as a political act intended to provide a rallying point around which the diverse forces of the Western cultural tradition can gather to resist the incoherent dementia that is Islam - even those forces, such as Wicca, that the West itself has long since turned its back on.

No. I do not accept Benedict's theology. I accept his contention that Western culture has been structured around a type of Logos, and that this principle of order is entangled at the deepest levels with the rise to diominance of the West. I admire his courage (provided he does not repudiate what he has done) in articulating a defence of that culture - no matter how veiled in the language of the academy. And I hope, I hope that what he has said was intended as a political act of resistance to the current tide of ennui, cynicism, and hopelessness now engulfing the West.

Someone capable of commanding attention throughout the world must begin to articulate such a resistance, otherwise we will surrender to the demented Islamic murderers by default. As any good philosopher should, Benedict has started with first principles - what is it that divides us from them. He has developed, on the basis of the faith that has shaped European and Western progress generally, a means to take a stand against the barbarians currently at our gates. It now remains to be seen if his conviction that the West is indeed superior to the lunatic mouthings and endless self-justification of incoherent desert demagogues, can take root and become a banner around which we, the caucasian peoples, can rally to our own defence.

Comments
on Sep 16, 2006
If there should be anyone commenting publicly on the moral or even logical superiority/inferiority of one of the tenets of Islam, especially those pertaining to jihad at this particular point of out history, it should be coming from Muslims, from which a lot of scholarly differing opinions can be drawn other than the more publicized terrorist version. I understand it was an academic setting - the Pope's former University of Regensburg in the heartland of Catholic Bavaria, and the tendency to approach the subject matter of faith to an academic audience was a given., but certainly, to choose the historical roots of what brings Islam and Christianity together rather than the roots of what divides them would have been the better choice. What does Pope Benedict XVI, who represents those of us as spiritual leader of another world religion want us to do - push ourselves back to the Crusades or even WWIII ? Consider this, in the southern islands of a less publicized war on terror (Sulu islands,Philippines), there is a battle presently raging on as men of the 104th Infantry Battalion, Phil. Army, together with the US-trained Light Reaction Company pursue Abu Sayyaf and Jemeyah Islamiya operatives. In this setting, 2 visiting Muslim leaders (Dr. Mohammad Bashar Arafat and Tiye Muzalim) exhort Filipino Muslims to "improve their lives" and to remember that Ramadan also means interacting with "people of the book" such as Christians and Jews , who have the Bible and Torah, respectively. Why was this message well-received by Filipino Muslims in general ? -Because it emphasized what brought the religions together rather than what divides them. Also becasue,it came from men of the same faith. The enemy has engaged the services of Imams who have referred to Christians as "infidels" deserving of death in the hope that the rest of the Muslim world would think as they do. We do not doubt the sincerity of the Holy Father in the same way as we lean towards giving Pres. Bush a benefit of a doubt in his sincerely believing that Iraq should be the centerpiece in the War on Terror, but we know know that both were certainly ill-advised in their focus of priorities. The ideological war is not about determining which religion is superior (Christianity vs. Islam - w/c would only lead us back to a Crusades mentality). It is about Islam and Wahhabism. The ideological war is not even about "freedom and Islamo-fascism",it is a war that is better carried on and resolved between and among Muslims. For Christians to join in this ideological battle is to unnecessarily stoke the flames of the War that only the enemy serves to benefit from
on Sep 16, 2006
Their petulant rage is, as ever, unjustified and completely out of proportion to the supposed offence


Good description of them!
on Sep 16, 2006
To: scatter629

To begin - thank you for an intelligent, articulate response. I appreciate it.

If there should be anyone commenting publicly on the moral or even logical superiority/inferiority of one of the tenets of Islam, especially those pertaining to jihad at this particular point of out history, it should be coming from Muslims, from which a lot of scholarly differing opinions can be drawn other than the more publicized terrorist version.


Are you seriously suggesting that those who have been the object of attacks by Islamists should refrain even from commenting upon the nature of the ideology informing the actions of those who carried out the attacks? I am not of the opinion that only those who adhere to an ideology (or religion, if you prefer) should be permitted to comment on that ideology.

While this is a conflict between Logos and and the idolatry of human passion (which is what Islam is, in the absence of Logos) it is, superficially, a conflict between religions. The adherents of both are going to comment on that conflict, whether you like it or not. At a deeper level, this conflict concerns differing ideas as to a righteous way of life. It's right that the office holders within the formal hierarchies that represent each of those ways of life make comment upon the conduct of the war that is beginning to engulf us all. Again, whether you like it or not.

What does Pope Benedict XVI, who represents those of us as spiritual leader of another world religion want us to do - push ourselves back to the Crusades or even WWIII ?


What I hope he wants, what I hope he has set out to do, is re-energize the faith of the West in its own culture and history. The lecture was primarily directed inward. It was directed to the historical heartland of the West, Europe, not to the jihadis and the Mullahs, and was - I believe - intended as a rallying cry for the forces of the West (intellectual, political, social forces) and as a moment in which a process of recuperation and recovery could begin.

I'm not certain of your affiliation or loyalty. You appear to favor a resolution of these matters that is purely internal to the Muslim Umma. Such a resolution is however impossible, since the Umma, in the form of Saudi Wahhabists, has reached out and murdered American citizens. I am not so developed spiritually that I do not feel the desire for revenge: neither are millions more Americans like me. There can not be the remotest possibility that Muslims will be left to settle their doctrinal differences as to the validity or otherwise of Jihad, when those differences have led directly to the deaths of over 3000 Americans and others.

Someone is going to pay. Whether you like it or not.

The ideological war is not about determining which religion is superior (Christianity vs. Islam - w/c would only lead us back to a Crusades mentality). It is about Islam and Wahhabism. The ideological war is not even about "freedom and Islamo-fascism",it is a war that is better carried on and resolved between and among Muslims. For Christians to join in this ideological battle is to unnecessarily stoke the flames of the War that only the enemy serves to benefit from


You may consider 'the enemy' to be some internal division within Islam, between 'Islam' and 'Wahhabism', and you may well perceive this to be an internal affair best left to Muslims to settle. But it is not and cannot be something purely internal to Islam because that struggle (which I agree is a valid, real struggle) has reached out and involved others.

Benedict's analysis may not be correct in terms of the internal theological struggles of Islam, but it is a valid statement of opposition to an ideological form which has declared itself to be the enemy of the West. As such that ideological form must be opposed, and Benedict has developed a platform from which that opposition can carry out its necessary internal recuperation before striking back finally and decisively.

Not all Islamists are Wahhabists. But all Islamists who do not directly declare their willingness to place national citizenship and adherence to the rule of law before their devotion to their religion are the enemies of the West and its culture.

And no true Muslim is willing to make such a declaration. Therefore Islam, not Wahhabism, is the enemy at the gates of the West and must be resisted with every resource at our disposal.
on Sep 16, 2006
To: jennifer1

Thank you.
on Sep 17, 2006
To begin - thank you for an intelligent, articulate response. I appreciate it. - EmperorOfIceCream

hell, at Ju, anyone would!



on Sep 17, 2006
on Sep 17, 2006
There can not be the remotest possibility that Muslims will be left to settle their doctrinal differences as to the validity or otherwise of Jihad, when those differences have led directly to the deaths of over 3000 Americans and others.


It's actually pretty likely. US citizens aren't angry enough to stand for a global war and they're not prepared to fight hard enough to win. Islam will settle its own internal differences the same way every religion does - violent internal conflict followed by the externalising of threats to abstract foreign concepts (in this case the West), and all ending in empty battlefields and a peace born from the crushing necessities of rebuilding. Eventually the horrors of faith will lead to a rejection of piety in favour of the religious apathy so common in the west. The process is not going to end just because outsiders want it to.

Not all Islamists are Wahhabists. But all Islamists who do not directly declare their willingness to place national citizenship and adherence to the rule of law before their devotion to their religion are the enemies of the West and its culture.


The strange thing is that most Muslims do, even most Muslim extremists do. That's why you tend to see Palestinians 'fighting the power' in Palestine, Lebanese in Lebanon, Indonesians in Indonesia, Malaysians in Malaysia, Filipinos in the Phillipines, British Muslims in Britain etc. The internationalists seem to be a rarity and pan-Islamic movements little more than occasional oddities.

Their rejection of their national law is based on their concept of citizenship. To be a good citizen they must fight oppression in their own country, and so they do so. It's an interesting if somewhat frighteningly American approach to citizenship. It's also quite logical - these militant Muslims know they're never going to be able to 'improve' their home countries via the ballot box, so they pursue alternative means. The gradual successes of radical Islam in creating police states in western countries is quite notable. I wonder just how much further they can go in achieving their aims by outwardly fighting against them.
on Sep 17, 2006
The Pope ought to call all Catholics to arms against Muslims.


Do we really want to go there LW?
on Sep 17, 2006
Excellent article all around. I just would voice a concern for the last paragraph where you state:

He has developed, on the basis of the faith that has shaped European and Western progress generally, a means to take a stand against the barbarians currently at our gates. It now remains to be seen if his conviction that the West is indeed superior to the lunatic mouthings and endless self-justification of incoherent desert demagogues, can take root and become a banner around which we, the caucasian peoples, can rally to our own defence.

It drops the tenor of your article somewhat and is not as strong a closing as you might desire. The Moslems pander to racism, I would prefer that those opposing them do not. YMMV
on Sep 19, 2006
To: cactoblasta

Islam will settle its own internal differences the same way every religion does - violent internal conflict followed by the externalising of threats to abstract foreign concepts (in this case the West), and all ending in empty battlefields and a peace born from the crushing necessities of rebuilding.


Except that the West is not an abstract threat to Islam. In its current secularized and liberal form the West is an anathema even to so-called 'moderate' Muslims (the ones who in their 'moderation' have nothing at all to say about the violence of their co-religionists). That secular liberalism was at one time the best friend Islam could have had since it still involves either a) a profound apathy toward religious issues; or an outright rejection of religion of all kinds as the source of all (or pretty much all) the evils of the world.

But the politicisation of Islam (even where that politics has not yet proceeded to violence - as in the case of the Morroccan and Jordanian condemnation of the Pope's intervention) is becoming more and more widespread, leading to a pervasive, religiously motivate but political opposition to the West that is going to harder and harder to ignore. You can see it in Britain, where the fact that the 7/7 bombers were 'homegrown boys' has led to increasing social and political divisions, and to the re-energization of groups such as the BNP (British National Party) that has an avowedly racist political agenda.

The internal divisions of Islam, and the political violence practiced by one such sub-group cannot and will not be left to Islam alone, because it is already having, and will increasingly have, an effect on the politics of Western nations. There cannot and will not be peace between Islam and the West, because Islam is not content to be at peace with the West, or any thing 'Other' to it's medieval view of the universe.

The internationalists seem to be a rarity and pan-Islamic movements little more than occasional oddities.


That may have been so in the past. It will not be so in the future. Particularly if figures such as the Pope begin to condemn all religiously motivated violence - and point publically and uncompromisingly to Islam as the pre-eminent source of such violence. As to Americans not having the stomach for a wide-ranging conflict with Islam at the moment, I agree with you. But that too will change should there be (as I believe there will be) another major terrorist strike on American soil and it can be demonstrated that it was planned and executed by Islamic Jihadists.
on Sep 19, 2006
To: moe99

The Moslems pander to racism, I would prefer that those opposing them do not.


Islam is not a term identifying a race, and nowhere throughout the article did I refer to race as a component in those things I was arguing against, or for. Perhaps my preference for the liberties, freedoms, rights, privileges of the West, as opposed to the medieval restrictions of Islam, might be viewed as pandering to racism ; c'est la vie, c'est la guerre. Nor am I so simple minded as to believe that Western cuture is innately superior to the culture of Islam. Western philosophy and science alike has benefited from the input of islamic scholarship. turkey has benefited, to a degree, both from Western liberal secularism and technology; and certain Arab states have gained vast wealth through exploiting oil reserves and participating in economic structures originated by the West. If I prefer one to the other and am willing to defend one against the other it's because it's immeasurably to my benefit to do so and because the culture of the West gives liberty to my own idiosyncratic nature. Race, as such, has nothing to do with it.