The Church of the Negative Christ
"If it's provable we can kill it."
Love, Missiles, and Child Pornography
Or, why there will never be an end to the Israeli war against Palestine
Published on August 21, 2006 By EmperorofIceCream In Politics


So that I'm not accused of misinterpretation (deliberate or otherwise) nor of letting my fondness for underdogs run away with me, here is the link to the article in which I found this image of childhood 'innocence' gone awry (Link).

In an effort to ameliorate the abomination thus exposed the journalist in question writes: "[...] the children would not have seen images of dead Lebanese as these kinds of images are not broadcast in Israel, suggesting the children were probably acting with some ignorance about the devastation the missiles were causing."

But the 'parents' who incited their children to do this were not. No American news media has published this image, nor commented on it, nor will any American news media ever do so. There is no room in their simple-minded, simplifying commentaries on the conflict for such a thing. And besides, it might make the Israelis look bad.

Take a look at what your tax dollars are supporting, America: the corruption of racial hatred and war, handed on to the next generation of Israeli cannon-fodder while doting parents grin in the background.

Enjoy - after all, you paid for the missiles.

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16
EmperorofIceCream
on Aug 21, 2006
To: stutefish

It wasn't meant as a rebuttal. It was meant as an insult. The fact that you can't tell the difference between an insult and a rebuttal is one marker of the depth of stupidity I'd have to sink to if I were to respond with a rebuttal.

And as you probably still can't tell the difference, let me inform you that this reply isn't a rebuttal either. It's another insult.
17
EmperorofIceCream
on Aug 21, 2006






The effect of hypocrisy, written in the flesh of the residents of Qana village in Lebanon. The current incident is referred to in Lebanon as 'Qana II' - since that village was previously attacked by Israel in an earlier conflict. The words of politicians, and of upstanding moralists such as the whimpering puppy BakerStreet, stutefish, and UBoB, written in dead flesh.

Enjoy, gentlemen. As I said before - after all, you're paying for it.
18
foreverserenity
on Aug 21, 2006
I mean, Israeli parents don't have the luxury you have, TW, of teaching their children that war is a violent and horrible sickness, that only ever happens very far away, and that they can grow up in total ignorance of. That "very far away" to you is "right here at home" to them, and for the survival of their nation and their people, they can't really afford to let their children grow up in ignorance of it--if that were even possible.


You know Stute, if ever there was an ignorant statement of the year, this is it! Of course you don't have children, your whole conversation would be different! For you to even have the gall to say to Tex that war is very far awar from her and her children, it is right there under their very nose! Their DADDY is off defending us, his country, his family! What about that didn't you understand? I find your comments very condescending and you owe her an apology!

I haven't heard such silly comments from you before, I guess I don't read you too often!

Regardless of what is going on, using children just to get bored journalist to do their jobs is sick! They should be ashamed of themselves!
19
EmperorofIceCream
on Aug 21, 2006
To: foreverserenity

You have a simplicity and directness of language that I cannot approach and which I am learning to appreciate. Thank you for your comment.
20
EmperorofIceCream
on Aug 21, 2006
To: Texas Wahine

As ever, the simple straightforward honesty of your soul shines through. Your husband is a lucky man. I hope he has learned to appreciate what, exactly, has been given to him.

I am not a good man - but I can appreciate goodness when I see it. Thank you for your contribution.
21
EmperorofIceCream
on Aug 21, 2006
To: stutefish

Despite the effort it will cost me to sink to the level of moral ignorance and political incompetence that is involved in speaking to an insect such as yourself, I find myself unable to resist the neccessity of refuting you. However, let me say at the outset that I consider you to be among the vilest of the vile, an espouser of corrupt nonsense, a traitor to the entire history of the moral evolution of the West, an advocate of the most fatuous political expediency. If you are an American then you are utterly unworthy of that Name. May the evils that you espouse be visited upon your head. If you have children may you see them die: God curse and abandon you, for the moral filth that you are.

Since it is a fundamental principle of terrorist doctrine that war encompasses the civilian population, and that ideological conflict recognizes no innocents, I wholeheartedly approve of the entire Israeli populace (which recently came under Hezbolla's gun, not just their soldiery) engaging the enemy on the enemy's own terms.


How is it, worm, that you, having been privileged to grow within a framework of liberty and individualism, in the aftermath of two world wars waged to defeat the forces of tyrrany and exploitation, can advocate a position that is the entire antithesis of the basis upon which those wars were waged? Every moral ambition of the West, its every moral endeavour in relation to the question of war (and what cultural entity in the world is there that has waged such horrific wars as the West?) has been to ameliorate the impact of war upon civilians, upon those who are without arms and are subject to the caprice of those who possess them.

You, however, vile and despicable as you are, would make of the most abominable attacks upon the most helpless a virtue. You are the epitome of arrogance, the acme of an expediency that denies the commonest element of human solidarity. You have no children, you say - then may you watch all that you hold most dear destroyed. And when you have, come tell me again how right it is, how proper, for those with power to collaborate in that destruction.

And it is right and proper for Israel's allies to give them some means with which to express that willingness.


May you live long enough to understand what it is you have said.
22
drmiler
on Aug 21, 2006
This whole post is irrelevant anyway since the picture was faked. Or posed however you wish to put it.
23
EmperorofIceCream
on Aug 21, 2006
To: BakerStreet

You cringing cur, you stinking filth.

Our soldiers sign our bombs. These Israeli children live in fear of Hezbollah, and those Lebanese kids aren't a damn bit more precious than the Iraqi ones we blew up with bombs reading "This one's for you, Saddam" and such. Lebanese and Palestinian kids are out there with their hateful signs during every protest.


You equate the folly of the morally ignorant with virtue and proselytize the betrayal of the very virtues which constitute you as an American. Because such things are done does that make them right? No. It marks only the ignorance and under-development of those who do them. You reeking hypocrite, would you say that it is right that children be used as the tools of propaganda if they were your children? If you say yes then you condemn yourself as a moral degenerate. If you say no you condemn yourself as a gross hypocrite.

I believe you to be an American. If that's so then you grew up in a land dedicated to the idea that tyrrany should not prevail, that tyrrany should be resisted at every turn and at no matter what cost. Will you now tell me that those who hunt men with Gunships, that those who carve up lands that are not their own to suit their own advantage, that those who bomb the unarned and the helpless are not tyrants?

Yes, probably you will.

Who gives a damn about Lebanon, a nation where the people are either too cowardly or to complicit to even ATTEMPT stop Hezbollah from killing Israeli children. Too cowardly to even call Hezbollah terrorists. The missiles falling on Israel are 'from Lebanon with love', they are just too cowardly to sign them.


I 'give a damn' only to this degree - that I will not collaborate in hypocrisy, which is an assualt upon the soul of Man. I will not sit idly by while those who presume to consider themselves legitimate authorities engage in the most egregious deceit. Given my choice I would kill all of them, from Tehran to Damascus - but I would do it in one fell swoop and with complete honesty, recognising my own evil in doing so.

You, though, stinking coward that you are, would hide behind a moral relativism that excuses the worst excesses of an idiot political pragmatism that denies that those you pretend to oppose (would you shit yourself or go blind if you met an actual terrorist? - I'm prepared to stake money on the fact that you would shit your pants and beg for your life) are exactly similar to those you defend.

The adult men and women who soldier for their nation have earned the right to treat their enemies with that kind of contempt. They have earned the right to hold in scorn the political 'reasoning' of those who so blithely send them to die in pursuit of agendas that history will laugh to scorn.

But you? What have you sacrificed, that gives you the right to mock the very principles that have established the comfortable conditions of your life? Nothing at all, I'd wager.

I allow you to comment on my blog only because my wife avers that you are not the coward, fool, and hypocrite that you appear to be. But my indulgence has its limits, and you have reached them. Be gone, you detestable betrayer of all that gives you worth.

No more of your cant will appear here.
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stutefish
on Aug 22, 2006
To: stutefish

It wasn't meant as a rebuttal. It was meant as an insult. The fact that you can't tell the difference between an insult and a rebuttal is one marker of the depth of stupidity I'd have to sink to if I were to respond with a rebuttal.

And as you probably still can't tell the difference, let me inform you that this reply isn't a rebuttal either. It's another insult.


Oh, I get that "you are dumb" is an insult. My point was that insults aren't a valid rebuttal. Kind of puts an unserious, childish color on your entire article and the ideas you're trying to promote, when you resort to insults instead of debate.

Despite the effort it will cost me to sink to the level of moral ignorance and political incompetence that is involved in speaking to an insect such as yourself, I find myself unable to resist the neccessity of refuting you. However, let me say at the outset that I consider you to be among the vilest of the vile, an espouser of corrupt nonsense, a traitor to the entire history of the moral evolution of the West, an advocate of the most fatuous political expediency. If you are an American then you are utterly unworthy of that Name. May the evils that you espouse be visited upon your head. If you have children may you see them die: God curse and abandon you, for the moral filth that you are.


Additional insults and curses duly noted.

How is it, worm, that you, having been privileged to grow within a framework of liberty and individualism, in the aftermath of two world wars waged to defeat the forces of tyrrany and exploitation, can advocate a position that is the entire antithesis of the basis upon which those wars were waged?


You mean the basis of total war? The firebombing of Dresden? Daylight bombing raids across Germany? That kind of thing?

Every moral ambition of the West, its every moral endeavour in relation to the question of war [...] has been to ameliorate the impact of war upon civilians, upon those who are without arms and are subject to the caprice of those who possess them.


Every moral ambition? Every moral endeavor? Seriously? "To ameliorate the impact of war upon civilians"? Are you sure?

Were Hiroshima and Nagasaki ameliorations of the impact of war upon civilians? What about the firebombing of Tokyo?

Oh, and before I forget:

(and what cultural entity in the world is there that has waged such horrific wars as the West?)


The Mongols, who ruthlessly slaughtered every inhabitant--man, woman, child--of any city that did not immediately surrender to them.

The Imperial Japanese, who waged brutal war in China, and whose officers in that campaign developed a tradition of cannibalism that was practiced even years later upon American POWs in their care.

The Aztecs, who enslaved their neighbors and fed them as human sacrifices to their bloodthirsty god-king.

The Soviet Russians, who waged a gruesome war of genocide against their own citizens, and fed the survivors into a vast network of slave-labor camps.

The Rwandan Hutus, who recently went throughout their homeland with machetes and guns, chopping and shooting their Tutsi fellows to the tune of over half a million dead.

You, however, vile and despicable as you are, would make of the most abominable attacks upon the most helpless a virtue. You are the epitome of arrogance, the acme of an expediency that denies the commonest element of human solidarity. You have no children, you say - then may you watch all that you hold most dear destroyed. And when you have, come tell me again how right it is, how proper, for those with power to collaborate in that destruction.


Additional insults and curses duly noted.

May you live long enough to understand what it is you have said.


Ah, but there is hope yet; you close with a blessing, which I can only assume is as heartfelt as your previous curses. Truly, you take with one hand but give with the other.
25
Gideon MacLeish
on Aug 22, 2006
While some folks can appreciate the creativity of your curses and insults, including myself, the average (and they are oh-so-average, aren't they?) participant on JU would be just as well served with a simple "fuck you."


No, we're more sophisticated than that, LW...we will not respond unless you append it with "and the horse you rode in on" or some other similar catchy phrase.

If'n it don't fit on a set of Burma Shave signs, it's probably too complex for most of us!
26
stutefish
on Aug 22, 2006
PANTS: I have an opinion.

MONKEY: I have a different opinion.

PANTS: You're dumb!

MONKEY: You're kinky, and you debate like a small child.

PANTS: I'm creatively insulting you! And I have some ideas.

MONKEY: Your ideas are wrong. And I have no comment about your insults.

PANTIES: Honey, you're drunk. And your creative insults are wasted on these simple sober folk. Try more "fuck you" next time.

Enough, I say. Let the cycle of violence end!

Emperor of Ice Cream, how have I wronged you, that you should treat me so?

Please tell me, so that I can make whatever amends you demand, and we can get back to an exciting debate about ideas instead of this pointless insult-fest.
27
stutefish
on Aug 22, 2006
Foreverserenity: I think there's a huge difference between telling your children that their father is away on the other side of the world fighting in a war, and telling your children that their big brother is dead because someone fired rockets on his school during recess.

TW, would you feel differently about teaching your children about war, if someone started launching rockets across the Mexican border into your living room at dinner time?
28
stutefish
on Aug 22, 2006
Since TW has made it clear she is done here, I feel quite comfortable in offering this sentiment to ya in her stead.

Whoops, guess I missed that in all the excitement. I see also that she avoided the question last time, so my asking it again was probably pointless anyway.

Fuck you.


Figures. I offer to make amends, but the empty hatred just keeps on coming.
29
EmperorofIceCream
on Aug 22, 2006
Hatred is never empty. Trust me, I've blighted lives with it. Of course, it has to be real hate and not the pussyass resentment that substitutes for it nowadays.

Real hate can kill.
30
stutefish
on Aug 23, 2006
So according to Texas Wahine, because I'm not a parent, I'm not allowed to agree with any parents except parents that agree with her.

And according to the Emperor of Ice Cream, he's bringing no real hate to the table (but O! he could if he wanted to, mind you), only pussyass resentment.

But according to Little Whip, that's okay because the whole conversation was just a game anyway.

So now that we've gotten that all cleared up, a few things about EoIC's "hypocrisy" argument:

First, he's going to have a hard time making it stick, since all the documented evidence points to Israel and its allies having a clear policy of not targeting civilians, and their words and deeds whenever it happens have been consistently to apologize, investigate, and punish. In order for EoIC to prove hypocrisy, he'd have to produce evidence that there is a secret, official policy to target civilians. Good luck with that.

Plus, in order to make the hypocrisy argument really worthwhile, he'd have to draw a moral equivalence between the IDF and Hezb'Allah. This would also be hard to do, since Hezb'Allah really does have an official (and public!) policy of targeting civilians. And far from apologizing, investigating, and punishing, Hezb'Allah celebrates and rewards the targeting of civilians.

So there's no hard feelings, then? This has all been tongue-in-cheek, good fun, friendly internet debate stuff?

EoIC got to flail about comically, try out some truly epic flames, and ban a dissenter. LW got to support her sweetie and say "fuck you" and "tongue-in-cheek". BakerStreet and I got to float some counter-arguments and explore some interesting (to us) ideas. TW got to remind us all that only parents can have opinions about children in society, and that parents who disagree with her don't count. Everybody else got a little entertained and a little bored.

Works for me. I guess JU really is the best blog site ever.
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